RespG40 Posted 14 February, 2020 Share Posted 14 February, 2020 So there is a thread on CM about this at the moment. It appears to prove that the above named operators are advertising a higher RTP than the game is running at. There is a way of checking the actual running RTP in Chrome Network Traffic details. It clearly shows "RTP / ##/" On the above casinos the help files in the games state 96.25% RTP, the running file says 94...! More than 50% increased house edge. Seems to be affecting PnG and Red Tiger games. God knows how many more are doing this.... Link to comment
Roedgaard72 Posted 15 February, 2020 Share Posted 15 February, 2020 Surely this will have serious consequences! Degsy described it in this video. Link to comment
RespG40 Posted 15 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2020 8 hours ago, Roedgaard72 said: Surely this will have serious consequences! Degsy described it in this video. The casino are falsely making 50% more profit on these games so I'm pretty sure it will have massive consequences. Also anyone else doing it needs to be very worried. Link to comment
Slotplayer Posted 15 February, 2020 Share Posted 15 February, 2020 None of this would happen if providers offered just the one RTP version of the game rather than various RTP versions. The likes of PlayNGo and Red Tiger are part to blame for this. Easily solved too by having the RTP on the loading screen, just as the Blueprint slots have. No tinkering to be done then by the casinos if they chose games with different RTP settings. Link to comment
RespG40 Posted 15 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2020 3 minutes ago, Slotplayer said: None of this would happen if providers offered just the one RTP version of the game rather than various RTP versions. The likes of PlayNGo and Red Tiger are part to blame for this. Easily solved too by having the RTP on the loading screen, just as the Blueprint slots have. No tinkering to be done then by the casinos if they chose games with different RTP settings. This casino were advised 6 days ago of this issue. What have they done? Absolutely nothing about it. So still currently stealing players money imo. Link to comment
Slotplayer Posted 15 February, 2020 Share Posted 15 February, 2020 1 minute ago, RespG40 said: This casino were advised 6 days ago of this issue. What have they done? Absolutely nothing about it. So still currently stealing players money imo. I am not defending the casinos at all. Of course what they are doing is blatantly wrong and they should be hauled over the coals for it. But the reason they are doing it is because providers such as PlayNGo provide these different RTP games, hence me stating they are partially to blame. When I want to play a slot, I don't want to first open any help file to establish if or if I am not playing the higher RTP version of it. Link to comment
RespG40 Posted 15 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2020 38 minutes ago, Slotplayer said: I am not defending the casinos at all. Of course what they are doing is blatantly wrong and they should be hauled over the coals for it. But the reason they are doing it is because providers such as PlayNGo provide these different RTP games, hence me stating they are partially to blame. When I want to play a slot, I don't want to first open any help file to establish if or if I am not playing the higher RTP version of it. Whilst I do agree, this is one of the biggest casino groups in the world! They have chosen to run a different RTP version and also hide that fact. Link to comment
Slotwin excitement channel Posted 20 February, 2020 Share Posted 20 February, 2020 I'm keeping my eye on this investigation myself. As Coral and Gala I truly believe have tampered with SG gaming RTP as well. Gala casino just removed Kronos this week VERY suspiciously after I tested it as I can tell it is playing worse than usual on gala and coral. The next morning they removed it. Around 3 days ago. Something is Very wrong about this. Including the new SG games are playing with a VERY low rtp feel. If this is pure greed then I hope they are fined and have to refund players. This has to be investigated alot deeper than play and go!!! They have tampered with other providers also Link to comment
olempiaps Posted 21 February, 2020 Share Posted 21 February, 2020 Add Wildz Casino to the list, P&G rtp is not same after «maintenance». Link to comment
RespG40 Posted 23 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 23 February, 2020 On 20/02/2020 at 23:58, Slotwin excitement channel said: I'm keeping my eye on this investigation myself. As Coral and Gala I truly believe have tampered with SG gaming RTP as well. Gala casino just removed Kronos this week VERY suspiciously after I tested it as I can tell it is playing worse than usual on gala and coral. The next morning they removed it. Around 3 days ago. Something is Very wrong about this. Including the new SG games are playing with a VERY low rtp feel. If this is pure greed then I hope they are fined and have to refund players. This has to be investigated alot deeper than play and go!!! They have tampered with other providers also Thing is with SG they have a built in RTP maths model on their games. Play N Go and Red Tiger offer different maths models so it's clear that the casino can switch between higher or lower RTP versions of games. Almost all others only off one same RTP version of games. Link to comment
Slotspinner Posted 23 February, 2020 Share Posted 23 February, 2020 On 21/02/2020 at 07:28, olempiaps said: Add Wildz Casino to the list, P&G rtp is not same after «maintenance». i checked wildz, they run highest rtp Link to comment
RespG40 Posted 23 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 23 February, 2020 The biggest issue is that for some unknown reason GVC removed all of the Play N Go helpfiles and replaced them with their own, displaying the highest RTP version over a period of 3 months. The games of course were running at 94%. On review of responses to some players they are literally not giving a toss about it. They are also now openly lying about the whole issue. Link to comment
Nige12 Posted 13 May, 2020 Share Posted 13 May, 2020 Hi If you see my first post, it is about this I believe. Link to comment
NickG Posted 25 May, 2020 Share Posted 25 May, 2020 And yet everyone believes online casino's are primarily legit businesses. It's a multi billion industry that has most (cough ** MGA ** cough) regulators in there pockets. They can do whatever the fuck they want. All the sudden the idea of streamers running on higher RTP then average joe does not sound so tinfoil does it? So how do you avoid stuff like this? Make sure you check out the help file is loaded from the playandgo CDN http://cmtc.playngonetwork.com/. This should be the actual help file supplied with the game. Now i'm a software developer and i've seen my fair share of shitty stupid code bundles but i would presume that the number there is loaded from a central configuration file used by the helpfile and the actual game. Because you know "don't repeat yourself". Link to comment
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