Roshtein - Fake (fun) money & N1 / Ladyhammer

[articulate.justyne]

Hey! I've been a viewer of casino streams for some time and follows a bit the discussions of fake/play money streamers. Recently I saw the video about Roshtein and decided to look into it from a technical perspective as I work as a senior full-stack developer & specialized in Angular.

I downloaded the Angular scripts loaded and used for “N1 Casino” and “Ladyhammer”. In the scripts I found an API call delivering the currencies available with the following data:

At this point, everything looks perfectly normal BUT they also created a currency called FUN. This is a currency not displayed in the list, hence a currency they for some reason seem to be hiding. As you can see in the image above, you could set the currency symbol to whatever you would like, even make the currency look like you’re playing in euros. FUN overrides the normal currency, hence if a player has the FUN currency, that will be used before any other currency.

Shown above, there is a function called B where a IF statement checks the following:
 

//If the logged in user, does not have a currency attached called “FUN”

i.data.user.currency && "FUN" !== i.data.user.currency

//Else the currency being used should be

else d.currencies && (f = d.currencies.FUN)

I don’t see why they would create a FUN currency that overrides any real currency but if Roshtein is using the FUN currency it will explain why he entered the slot with the same balance on both real and free money play.

Boiling the above down to a non-developer.

1. A logged-in user clicks to play a game with “real money”
2. There is a check if the user has a specially made currency called “FUN” on the account.
3. If so, the “real” money game is being loaded, using the “FUN” currency as the currency displayed.

Conclusion

It’s all very strange that the casinos he’s streaming from has this technical setup, it could however be for other purposes. My best guess is that IF he was using the special “FUN” currency they will find a new technical setup now after it has been revealed.

Roshtein (and others) also might:

1. Play with their own actual funds
2. Play as others suggested: Casino owns Skrill/Neteller and they only gets a smaller % of cashouts etc which would make everything look legit without them having to risk their own money.

[dirtystack]

MVP

[Guest]

Ohhh holy duck that is sad for Roshtein and followers maybe :D

[Ganfire]

Anyone with IQ above 50, knew he wasn't legit anyway :-)

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Ganfire said:

Anyone with IQ above 50, knew he wasn't legit anyway ?

Hahahah but still sad

[dirtystack]

I think the people drawn to his streaming personality will carry on watching in collective denial.

Cognitive dissonance. 

I don't understand the mentality behind it but it is rampant in this day and age really, aggressively defence of systems that are damaging.

Gun policy in the USA for example.

I don't know, speculating and depressing myself now.

Edited 26 August, 2019 by dirtystack

[Slotplayer]

3 hours ago, articulate.justyne said:

Hey! I've been a viewer of casino streams for some time and follows a bit the discussions of fake/play money streamers. Recently I saw the video about Roshtein and decided to look into it from a technical perspective as I work as a senior full-stack developer & specialized in Angular.

I downloaded the Angular scripts loaded and used for “N1 Casino” and “Ladyhammer”. In the scripts I found an API call delivering the currencies available with the following data:

At this point, everything looks perfectly normal BUT they also created a currency called FUN. This is a currency not displayed in the list, hence a currency they for some reason seem to be hiding. As you can see in the image above, you could set the currency symbol to whatever you would like, even make the currency look like you’re playing in euros. FUN overrides the normal currency, hence if a player has the FUN currency, that will be used before any other currency.

Shown above, there is a function called B where a IF statement checks the following:
 

//If the logged in user, does not have a currency attached called “FUN”

i.data.user.currency && "FUN" !== i.data.user.currency

//Else the currency being used should be

else d.currencies && (f = d.currencies.FUN)

I don’t see why they would create a FUN currency that overrides any real currency but if Roshtein is using the FUN currency it will explain why he entered the slot with the same balance on both real and free money play.

Boiling the above down to a non-developer.

1. A logged-in user clicks to play a game with “real money”
2. There is a check if the user has a specially made currency called “FUN” on the account.
3. If so, the “real” money game is being loaded, using the “FUN” currency as the currency displayed.

Conclusion

It’s all very strange that the casinos he’s streaming from has this technical setup, it could however be for other purposes. My best guess is that IF he was using the special “FUN” currency they will find a new technical setup now after it has been revealed.

Roshtein (and others) also might:

1. Play with their own actual funds
2. Play as others suggested: Casino owns Skrill/Neteller and they only gets a smaller % of cashouts etc which would make everything look legit without them having to risk their own money.

So effectively the game servers are fooled by pretending to be real money play rather than demo play? If that is the case, then surely the game providers won't be too happy with it all?

[Rexxor420]

1 hour ago, dirtystack said:

I don't understand the mentality behind it but it is rampant in this day and age really, aggressively defence of systems that are damaging.

Gun policy in the USA for example.

Yeah right dude what a retarded example. ?

[Xxxxwildingxxxx]

The thing that explain all is thst hes re logged in and showed it loads everything normal 

[Haldami]

21 minutes ago, Rexxor420 said:

Yeah right dude what a retarded example. ?

That's actually a perfect example. 

[Slotspinner]

thats ...interesting!

[DanishDaniel]

How is it in comparison to other casinos? - Checking the bigger sites in comparison is probably interesting.

I'm not an Angular expert myself, and not really into js in general, but I still think there needs to be some more conclusive than an "if" scenario.

And if it's actually the case, they obviously have to be reported to the Malta gaming authorities.

[dirtystack]

I don't know the financial interaction between the providers and the casinos.

If they get a cut of what is spun on their games/software rather then just a subscription to have access to their games...

The casino could be flagging actual cash spun as "fun" money and not be paying the expected cut to the provider.

Speculating of course, thinking out loud.

[DanishDaniel]

2 minutes ago, dirtystack said:

I don't know the financial interaction between the providers and the casinos.

If they get a cut of what is spun on their games/software rather then just a subscription to have access to their games...

The casino could be flagging actual cash spun as "fun" money and not be paying the expected cut to the provider.

Speculating of course, thinking out loud.

No matter what, they are paying more for more players/spins, whenever it's a bigger subscription or a percentage, so that could be. That exact scenario just doesn't seem super likely either. And shouldn't the real money override the FUN money, rather than the other way around if that was the case?

[dirtystack]

5 minutes ago, DanishDaniel said:

No matter what, they are paying more for more players/spins, whenever it's a bigger subscription or a percentage, so that could be. That exact scenario just doesn't seem super likely either. And shouldn't the real money override the FUN money, rather than the other way around if that was the case?

Don't know mate, you are probably right. It would be too big of a risk for the casino to do that, especially in such a manner that it can be uncovered by a random genius on the Casinogrounds forum, the OP, articulate.justyne

Edited 26 August, 2019 by dirtystack
Been playing Rizk casino so much I forgot it was spelt "risk"

[DanishDaniel]

4 minutes ago, dirtystack said:

Don't know mate, you are probably right. It would be too big of a risk for the casino to do that, especially in such a manner that it can be uncovered by a random genius on the Casinogrounds forum, the OP, articulate.justyne

I wouldn't say that a lot of things is uncovered by forums. Something does seem fishy about N1, it's just hard to pinpoint whatever it may be.

[articulate.justyne]

12 hours ago, Slotplayer said:

So effectively the game servers are fooled by pretending to be real money play rather than demo play? If that is the case, then surely the game providers won't be too happy with it all?

It does necessary mean that the providers are being fooled. It could just be a technical way to separate the currencies for reporting and that later on.

What I know there is no way to load a game in "practice" mode with a set amount of money.  That should only be possible in a "real money" slot.

10 hours ago, DanishDaniel said:

No matter what, they are paying more for more players/spins, whenever it's a bigger subscription or a percentage, so that could be. That exact scenario just doesn't seem super likely either. And shouldn't the real money override the FUN money, rather than the other way around if that was the case?

I have no idea how those things works, just a viewer. But i guess they some kind of percentage.

[Casinolandstreaming]

@articulate.justyne so, in Chrome's developer tool, can you change the code and see if it possible to load FUN game with real money and EUR sign?

[articulate.justyne]

7 minutes ago, Casinolandstreaming said:

@articulate.justyne so, in Chrome's developer tool, can you change the code and see if it possible to load FUN game with real money and EUR sign?

I tried this yesterday. I will do some more testing before I confirm that it works. What currency I get going into the game, I cant see... Nor can I see if something happens when the game loads. But I realized that everything by default loaded in EURO symbol. So I will do a new test during the day.

[slotsproducer]

19 hours ago, articulate.justyne said:

Hey! I've been a viewer of casino streams for some time and follows a bit the discussions of fake/play money streamers. Recently I saw the video about Roshtein and decided to look into it from a technical perspective as I work as a senior full-stack developer & specialized in Angular.

I downloaded the Angular scripts loaded and used for “N1 Casino” and “Ladyhammer”. In the scripts I found an API call delivering the currencies available with the following data:

At this point, everything looks perfectly normal BUT they also created a currency called FUN. This is a currency not displayed in the list, hence a currency they for some reason seem to be hiding. As you can see in the image above, you could set the currency symbol to whatever you would like, even make the currency look like you’re playing in euros. FUN overrides the normal currency, hence if a player has the FUN currency, that will be used before any other currency.

Shown above, there is a function called B where a IF statement checks the following:
 

//If the logged in user, does not have a currency attached called “FUN”

i.data.user.currency && "FUN" !== i.data.user.currency

//Else the currency being used should be

else d.currencies && (f = d.currencies.FUN)

I don’t see why they would create a FUN currency that overrides any real currency but if Roshtein is using the FUN currency it will explain why he entered the slot with the same balance on both real and free money play.

Boiling the above down to a non-developer.

1. A logged-in user clicks to play a game with “real money”
2. There is a check if the user has a specially made currency called “FUN” on the account.
3. If so, the “real” money game is being loaded, using the “FUN” currency as the currency displayed.

Conclusion

It’s all very strange that the casinos he’s streaming from has this technical setup, it could however be for other purposes. My best guess is that IF he was using the special “FUN” currency they will find a new technical setup now after it has been revealed.

Roshtein (and others) also might:

1. Play with their own actual funds
2. Play as others suggested: Casino owns Skrill/Neteller and they only gets a smaller % of cashouts etc which would make everything look legit without them having to risk their own money.

Every game I ever worked on for online has a FUN currency which is used for demo / practice mode.

Some providers actually display the currency as FUN to the player, some display it as the local currency.

For me, as much as I dislike Roshstein and N1 (even more after seeing their newsletter which is utterly irresponsible) I dont think this proves anything.

[articulate.justyne]

10 minutes ago, slotsproducer said:

Every game I ever worked on for online has a FUN currency which is used for demo / practice mode.

Some providers actually display the currency as FUN to the player, some display it as the local currency.

For me, as much as I dislike Roshstein and N1 (even more after seeing their newsletter which is utterly irresponsible) I dont think this proves anything.

There is two different functions, where one of the is when you want to play for "real" and the other for "practice".

What caught my attention is that, when you press play for "real", there is a check if you have the currency of "FUN" in your user object, if so load that as default.

I find this really odd, due to the button is for "play for real" and not for practice mode.

Ps;

Check your PM for some further questions regarding this

Edited 27 August, 2019 by articulate.justyne

[Kisch]

I smell jealouy. People have hated on Rosh since he started streming 3-4 years ago and he got shitloads of more wiewers then other streamers every stream, why? He is a true entertainer and a Great streamer, i can promise you that most he's wiewers would not even care if it would come out that he is "fake". He get trashtalked loads from other streamers and at Cadinodaddy you even get banned mention hes name? I mean that is so silly. Rosh never talks shit about anyone and are always humble and friendly. 

Get your shit togheter now and step up your own game instead of whining. 

[Nordog]

What if he plays with SEK and then changes SEK to € this way? 

[articulate.justyne]

1 minute ago, Kisch said:

I smell jealouy. People have hated on Rosh since he started streming 3-4 years ago and he got shitloads of more wiewers then other streamers every stream, why? He is a true entertainer and a Great streamer, i can promise you that most he's wiewers would not even care if it would come out that he is "fake". He get trashtalked loads from other streamers and at Cadinodaddy you even get banned mention hes name? I mean that is so silly. Rosh never talks shit about anyone and are always humble and friendly. 

Get your shit togheter now and step up your own game instead of whining. 

I agree that he is a good entertainer. That is not what I'm questioning here.

I'm questioning the case that he is promoting unethical and high-rolling casino play, with potentially fake money, that should be out in the public. Especially so people understand,that betting that high is not sustainable in the long run.

I'm pointing out things that are very suspicious and proves that it’s technically possible that anyone pushing either of these brands, could do it with fake money. Even if people are there for entertainment, many want to know what’s really going on.

 

 

 

[Xxxxwildingxxxx]

The thing is its possible he wae logged out yes or no... Its possible he clicked real play the way the mouse. Pointer was moving.... He logged on and showed thst balanced was real for real and play for play .. bonus hunts cant store on play money. How ignorant of people just to not think of other possibilities alot of people are not good at working things out. Im done with this now anyway .          Anyone mntioning he logged on later on and showed everything was normal when he clicked playmoney and real money you raley will see this for someone wanting to hate and say fake .

Edited 27 August, 2019 by Xxxxwildingxxxx