Streamers rigged?

[Lokus]

Watching alot of streams from slot of different streamers, i found it very Intresting.

one strange thing that hits me is all the record wins. Started with casinodaddy with quasar as casino "not 100% sure" hitting 15k euro win on book of Ra i think it was.

then like one two weeks later Kim gets 15k euro hit on bonanza then nick slots hits Merkur then rock n rolla , then jartuu then roshtein. For some funny reason only the streamers with most followers ger the insain wins... and all from different affiliates.

its very strange within one month all the streamers got record wins from different affiliates . The only reason ive heard is its Thanks for the bonus money that gives that edge... Im very amazed my personal opinion is that something rigged. 

Now people Will say bl.a. It cant be and so on, only a fool is that naive and think fair play exist when it comes to money.

to break even in one year on slots is almost impossible . To make a small profit is even harder..

[Ganfire]

They just play alot, so ofc they are going to hit a big win at some point. We all hit that big win, and we all keep chasing for more.

Its not impossible to go break even, when you get a deposit bonus every time, or even get a profit if your running hot.

Saying its rigged, just lol.

[casualcasinochill]

Well, as previous poster said, the streamers play alot. With Casinodaddy, they upload around 7-11 hours of footage to Youtube almost _everyday_. When you play that much, you sure increase your chance of hitting big. If you play 1 hour each month, you don't have the same odds at hitting anything worth mentioning.

 

The amounts these streamers play with are - at least for most "ordinary" people and players - huge amounts. They get alot of money from the casinos in bonus money when they deposit, some times they get "no deposit"- money (free money from the casino) with a maximum cashout and most times a high amount of wagering is to be made before any withdrawal is possible.

 

When you take their bonus money into consideration, most times they double their deposit. Which means, they have twice the money to play with. More money = longer play time (depends on size of bets, of course) = more chances overall to hit big. Time = Money.

 

Kim didn't win 15k on Bonanza did he, it was one of the viewers that got that hit. Kim did win 70k euro off-stream tho. 

 

The casinos makes shit-loads of money from the streamers through affiliation, the streamers get a lot of money from the viewers registering and deposits on through their links. If a viewer wins big, the streamer doesn't get anything. If a viewer has alot of losses, the streamer gets some of the casinos profits. 

 

Is it rigged? I don't think so. What are the odds that streamers hit big in such a short notice? Pretty high, but not really. Someone wins big everyday, more and more people are getting into streaming casinos, more and more people upload their casino wins on Youtube to get users to register with their affiliation links - or just to brag- and it's easier then ever to share videos and images online at this moment. People won big before streaming, people win big with streaming.

 

 

[LetsGiveItASpin]

If you play hours and hours every day of course you will hit something. The reason it's even possible to stream are more frequent deposit bonuses, with a deposit bonus you'll get more playing time with the same deposit amount. As I've said on stream I was actually down a ton this year before my incredible last week. I even traded the Euros I had won in the landbased casino for Skrill because of my bad run. Even though I was running insanely cold I was able to post a few big wins because they will simply come if you play hours and hours every day and for some reason people tend to remember the big wins but forget about the money it cost to get there. The €15k Bonanza win wasn't mine (even if I wish it was) but a viewer called Leedsbullen.

[pausefisk]

First of all i'm not sure how any casino can rig a slot so that a stream can win on i... that idea is just insane. The selections of slots during a stream is often choosen by the viewers or "the wheel".

Also, if you watch the streamers, you also see they lose a lot, every slot seems damn cold.

And, if you look at all the big wins posted on this forum, almost all of them are posted by "us"/"the viewers". Is that rigged aswell?

If you play a lot - you win a lot. If you dont play at all, i'm 100% sure you dont win either

[David Labowsky]

I understand that your view gets skewed. I just lost €1150 on stream. That's not becoming a highlight on Youtube. My next €1000 win will though. A good win is entertaining to watch, if I'd put a highlight of my losses up, who would enjoy that? Maybe once, to keep it real, but after that?

We get streamer bonuses. Thank heavens we do. You know how much I'm up after 6 months of streaming? €291,63. That is without any expenses I made for streaming, such as equipment.

I was down €8000 before I hit my €4000 win on 300 shields.

Do I make "shitloads" from affiliating? I wish. With my education I can find a better paying job, without having to risk my income on slots. But eh.. where's the fun in that.

It's a tough world, plenty of competition. If you don't love what you're doing you won't make it I promise. There's very few streamers that are in it for the money, that are still (a)live and most of those are not playing with their own money, viewbotting, etc.

 

[Lokus]

David labowsky i thank you for your input as usual u have a way to look at things in a more sensible way. 

 

I would like to say that the bonuses streamers get, i get the same with my deal with my casino. How much i spend playing slots is alot and by alot i mean minimum 50k euro deposit each year double that with the bonuses i get 100%. 

Heres the funny part, ive never won as  frequently or as much as the streamers.

and im not close to break even i would say i got 30% back in a year. 

I think its possible to be ahead in slots ofc. But it takes that u quit while your ahead. Over a year thats almost impossible. 

As i Said , i find it strange that different affiliates showcases huge wins to the most popular streamers within one month period. 

And when it comes to showcase the high wins posts on the forum most of those bets are under 1euro each. No offence but theres a reason why u win x1000 on a -1euro bet but dont get the same hits on 5 euro bet or 25euro bet. Still as usual i wish u all the best when it comes to beat the casinos. 

I find slots very relaxing but stopped dreaming about that huge hit as streamers get.

 

 

 

[Lokus]

10 hours ago, LetsGiveItASpin said:

If you play hours and hours every day of course you will hit something. The reason it's even possible to stream are more frequent deposit bonuses, with a deposit bonus you'll get more playing time with the same deposit amount. As I've said on stream I was actually down a ton this year before my incredible last week. I even traded the Euros I had won in the landbased casino for Skrill because of my bad run. Even though I was running insanely cold I was able to post a few big wins because they will simply come if you play hours and hours every day and for some reason people tend to remember the big wins but forget about the money it cost to get there. The €15k Bonanza win wasn't mine (even if I wish it was) but a viewer called Leedsbullen.

Kim on stream you must be close to even in one year ? 

[Original Jase]

Funny thing, when I streamed last year i had most my big wins in 20 years but I also had my biggest losses. People only remember the big wins usually and forget the times people lose big probably cos most like positive over negative 

[Gee_Bee1]

nah not rigged at all and neither are regular youtube highlights people like bandit and jimbo casino. as a regular viewer of these things you can see for urself absolute torrid reprehensible runs of bad luck.

as @David Labowsky said himself he spaffed a grand today literally sod all happened was absolutely woeful returns.

[casualcasinochill]

10 hours ago, David Labowsky said:

Do I make "shitloads" from affiliating? I wish. With my education I can find a better paying job, without having to risk my income on slots. But eh.. where's the fun in that.

 

Well, most affilliate sites put the money back on the casino account or on your bank account, most people see it as "free money" to play with, I cant imagine any casino streamer drive around in a Corvette because casino is, and always will, be a +/- affair at best. 

[LetsGiveItASpin]

18 hours ago, Lokus said:

Kim on stream you must be close to even in one year ? 

Last year I was down loads on stream, some good offstream wins salvaged it though but in the negative in total, this year is vice versa but things turn around very quickly.

[Lokus]

So first roshtein above 600k now Kim , soon casinodaddy perhaps get a 600k and rock n rolla:)

[Tombha]

9 minutes ago, Lokus said:

So first roshtein above 600k now Kim , soon casinodaddy perhaps get a 600k and rock n rolla:)

difference is .. roshtein is fake.. kim is real...

[Camilla1985]

well, i havent been streaming for that long, just a few weeks, but i can tell you that much, that i am not up! So i wish the slots where rigged sometimes!   

But as they all say, ofc you are going to have some huge wins if you play slots several hours a day, with that bet size! 

It would be sad if they wouldent. 

 

And im actually really happy for those streamers that are winning huge!! Who wouldent be?? That just means that they will keep streaming  

 

[bootsyboy7]

About 10 yrs ago I won big on 32red and eventually they let me in club rouge for high rollers...in club rouge they said my chances of winning were improved because I was in that club....so does that say anything....lol they also said I was in club rouge for life but have since kicked me out....

[Skylined87]

6 hours ago, bootsyboy7 said:

About 10 yrs ago I won big on 32red and eventually they let me in club rouge for high rollers...in club rouge they said my chances of winning were improved because I was in that club....so does that say anything....lol they also said I was in club rouge for life but have since kicked me out....

They can't improve your chances. the only way I see them doing so if they were giving you deposit bonuses

[bootsyboy7]

On 20/07/2017 at 5:22 AM, Skylined87 said:

They can't improve your chances. the only way I see them doing so if they were giving you deposit bonuses

Nah m8....was in black n white....couldn't believe it myself

[bootsyboy7]

Better percentages of winning than your normal sign up mukka

[gamblingraal]

On 31/05/2017 at 3:42 PM, Lokus said:

Heres the funny part, ive never won as  frequently or as much as the streamers.

 

Your logic is flawed buddy. Have you put it in the same number of hours? Have you compared amounts won or multiples of wins? Have you played the same slots and for the same number of spins?

Variance is a bitch sir. I played slots for 8 years and this last month made up for 30% of my lifetime losses. If I had streamed it, you would have probably said OMG THIS GUYS IS PAID BY CASINO.  If you watched Nick's stream the last 2 weeks, you would stay the fuck away from slots (until the last 30 minutes of the Friday stream where he managed to recoup 1300 quid )

Our brains are wired to  see patterns, but they are flawed when it comes to gambling and variance. Slots exploit this very well - hell every casino game does. Its the same reason why they put up last numbers hit on roulette tables and the number tracker on Dreamcatcher (or is it Dreamcrusher). We all know the same numbers are likely to hit again every time as they are independent draws.

The only possible way of a casino rigging it for a streamer is to have the streamer own the casino or have some sort of superuser account on said casino and where the games aren't provided by any major and audited provider. Logically, these don't exist on reputable casinos because, let's be honest, why the hell would they risk their multi million dollar business on a no-name basement dweller for a few sign-ups a month?

[SuperSmask]

When I started streaming, on my first bullet (lasted 3 sessions) I got my biggest cashout ever from a 1000sek deposit (cashed out 16000). Now Im like 2-3 weeks into my streaming career and must say Ive been lucky to start with. I started playing late november last year (not streaming, just playing), and had a bad run of 5000 down within 2 weeks. Close to quitting, but after that I got INSANELY lucky. Now approx. 7 months in im up... a lot. But damn ive had some big droughts, but it all evens out and like I said, ive been really lucky. What im trying to get across, this is all just random, im just more lucky than average I guess. Everyone can´t win and everyone can´t lose. No one gains if this is rigged, in fact everyone loses... 

[nyx5]

There is no need to rig the slots.

The Bandit did an interesting video where he showed actual numbers from a couple of casinos. Playing slots is a losing game for him as for everyone else in the long run.

But apart from getting bonuses that the rest of us don’t get the affiliate link generate considerable sums of money. In his case having around 600 active players and generating roughly 100 sign-ups in a month gave him £5400 in October this year from one casino. Of that £4000 was from sign-ups (CPA) and £1400 from revenue share (ie share in player losses).

As you can deduct from this when you see a streamer playing that is not not a true reflection of normal gambling, so in that way it's rigged even if the machines are not.

The Bandit's video