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YouTube banning gambling/casino streams and channels?

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10 hours ago, Prometheus said:

Could you please elaborate what is the reasoning to report this rockefella guy?


 

Some of the things he has said on live streams are questionable and are breaking Youtubes policies. Also his constant encouragement of “degenerate gambling” is toxic and dangerous to the Youtube community. His channel will be going down in the coming months if the reports consistently keep going in. 

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1 hour ago, NudgeShuffle said:

@danishcomfort I'm being polite here when I say that you are talking out of your arse. Go spread your conspiracy trash elsewhere.

It is the case that the EU are going to make laws regarding what the call "mis-information" on the socialmedia platforms. Under the term "mis-information" is that someone is to evaluate the truth condition for the posts on the socialmedia - that might sound like a good idea if it is about simple claims like who won the Champions league this year, but it is not simple claims that are going to be evaluated. Imagine the power an organisation like the EU would have if a group of people that will give the final call weather a claim is true or false. How would they evaluate critic of the EU or political statements?

What about entertainment like casino streaming? Well, my guess is that it is going to banned on Youtube in the future because it is in a grey area and it might not be political accepted be those who evaluate what to be accepted or not accepted.

 

@nudgeshuffle instead of using a simple speech act as a response try to use some more useful words that qualify your opinion.   

 

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2 hours ago, MisterMyers said:

Some of the things he has said on live streams are questionable and are breaking Youtubes policies. Also his constant encouragement of “degenerate gambling” is toxic and dangerous to the Youtube community. His channel will be going down in the coming months if the reports consistently keep going in. 

You couldn't be talking more out your ass if you tried.  Yes he is a degenerate gambler and yes its hard to watch at times but how does he encourage people to be like him?  If you don't like what you see don't watch its quite simple!  Look at most the other streamers out there having their affiliate links plastered all over their streams trying to encourage people to sign up through them so they get a % of their losses.  Yes Rocknolla will get these benefits to if people sign up through him but he doesn't openly try and encourage people to do so. 

For me he is the most honest streamer out there and is a pleasure to watch.  He gambles because he loves the rush like we all do.  A lot of these streamers nowadays see this as a business and a very profitable one at that/

I see some people saying on their streams they are professional streamers!  There is nothing to be professional at!  All they do is gamble online and let people view it.  They see this as a business.... open your eyes!

I have no issue with streamers making money from signups/player losses.  I just choose very wisely which ones I use because I tend to support channels that actually gamble because they are gamblers not people trying to create a business out of it.

Rocknolla wont be going anywhere he has the biggest following for a reason :)

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21 hours ago, MisterMyers said:

I’ve reported RocknRolla multiple times with various IP’s and his channel is still going. I guess it is just a matter of time. 

Brilliant, 2nd troll that abuses YouTubes reporting system, Rocknrolla isn't going anywhere and if one of your reports actually managed to shut him down he'd most likely be back in no time.

Update: I got my channel back and YouTube still confirming that this is a mistake on their behalf that will hopefully be resolved in the near future. For now however I advice streamers to be careful with going live on YouTube.

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26 minutes ago, LetsGiveItASpin said:

Brilliant, 2nd troll that abuses YouTubes reporting system, Rocknrolla isn't going anywhere and if one of your reports actually managed to shut him down he'd most likely be back in no time.

Update: I got my channel back and YouTube still confirming that this is a mistake on their behalf that will hopefully be resolved in the near future. For now however I advice streamers to be careful with going live on YouTube.

Good to hear kim you have got your channel back.?.

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On 15/06/2018 at 10:40, Arcade_Pusher said:

You couldn't be talking more out your ass if you tried.  Yes he is a degenerate gambler and yes its hard to watch at times but how does he encourage people to be like him?  If you don't like what you see don't watch its quite simple!  Look at most the other streamers out there having their affiliate links plastered all over their streams trying to encourage people to sign up through them so they get a % of their losses.  Yes Rocknolla will get these benefits to if people sign up through him but he doesn't openly try and encourage people to do so. 

For me he is the most honest streamer out there and is a pleasure to watch.  He gambles because he loves the rush like we all do.  A lot of these streamers nowadays see this as a business and a very profitable one at that/

I see some people saying on their streams they are professional streamers!  There is nothing to be professional at!  All they do is gamble online and let people view it.  They see this as a business.... open your eyes!

I have no issue with streamers making money from signups/player losses.  I just choose very wisely which ones I use because I tend to support channels that actually gamble because they are gamblers not people trying to create a business out of it.

Rocknolla wont be going anywhere he has the biggest following for a reason :)

No. The behaviour he exhibits on Youtube is not acceptable. If he wants to stream then it should be on Twitch. Not Youtube that have a young audience. He has and does encourage gambling and has even said it on his streams a few times. 

Soon enough he will have his channel closed. As will all gambling channels. Youtube have already started the process and I have received emails from Youtube confirming this.  

On 15/06/2018 at 12:57, LetsGiveItASpin said:

Brilliant, 2nd troll that abuses YouTubes reporting system, Rocknrolla isn't going anywhere and if one of your reports actually managed to shut him down he'd most likely be back in no time.

Update: I got my channel back and YouTube still confirming that this is a mistake on their behalf that will hopefully be resolved in the near future. For now however I advice streamers to be careful with going live on YouTube.

Not a troll. I know 3-4 hours that are reporting him also. It not abuse of the system when his content is dangerous to young viewers of the Youtube community. All gambling related channels will be closed eventually. 

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39 minutes ago, MisterMyers said:

No. The behaviour he exhibits on Youtube is not acceptable. If he wants to stream then it should be on Twitch. Not Youtube that have a young audience. He has and does encourage gambling and has even said it on his streams a few times. 

Soon enough he will have his channel closed. As will all gambling channels. Youtube have already started the process and I have received emails from Youtube confirming this.  

Not a troll. I know 3-4 others that are reporting him also. It not abuse of the system when his content is dangerous to young viewers of the Youtube community. All gambling related channels will be closed eventually. 

Had to correct a mistake. You can’t seem to edit your posts. 

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4 hours ago, MisterMyers said:

No. The behaviour he exhibits on Youtube is not acceptable. If he wants to stream then it should be on Twitch. Not Youtube that have a young audience. He has and does encourage gambling and has even said it on his streams a few times. 

Soon enough he will have his channel closed. As will all gambling channels. Youtube have already started the process and I have received emails from Youtube confirming this.  

Not a troll. I know 3-4 hours that are reporting him also. It not abuse of the system when his content is dangerous to young viewers of the Youtube community. All gambling related channels will be closed eventually. 

You're an idiot. You're a bigger problem to this world than any gambling channel. I'm sure the 60's would have loved a guy like you. 

 

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11 hours ago, slotsofun said:

You're an idiot. You're a bigger problem to this world than any gambling channel. I'm sure the 60's would have loved a guy like you. 

 

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Or maybe you could gambling among yourselves instead of plastering it all over the internet to see your toxic habits. You don’t see heroin users or alcoholics creating channels to exhibit their negative behaviors so why should gambling addicts do the same just to get attention that they are clearly lacking from female companionship. 

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I dont think people who argue that streamers are a good thing are stupid.  I pity them as they obviously have nothing in their life!  How anyone can have the cheek to argue that a streamer who gambles, swears and drinks on youtube is good for anybody is beyond me. If streamers want to stream then they need their own platform because it is extremely easy for kids to stumble across big win videos.  The streaming community is like a pack of wolves.  Anybody dare criticize them is eaten alive.  If a child comes across a big win video with rocknrolla or nickslots swearing in it why shouldnt the parent complain to youtube? Rocknrolla actually said on his stream the other night that he would like to see them ban gambling affilliate links to see who would stick around. Not many!  He is the biggest streamer out and he refuses to be on big win videos as he doesnt want anyone to think he is winning.  CG release a weekly big wind video ffs.  It wouldnt be difficult shutting the UK streamers down if there was enough fuss made.

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@slotsofunif he is an idiot what does that make you?  How can wanting to protect kids make him an idiot?

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Ok Delboy I can kind of see where you are coming from and agree to a certain point.  For me I just didn't like the way MisterMyers was singling out Rocknrolla when there are many many more streamers out there that are worse.  They literally beg for signups etc its quite sad.

I also completely agree with you re criticising streamers.  The problem you will have is this is a gambling forum and the majority of people that come here enjoy the streamers and the big wins etc.

 

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5 hours ago, Arcade_Pusher said:

Ok Delboy I can kind of see where you are coming from and agree to a certain point.  For me I just didn't like the way MisterMyers was singling out Rocknrolla when there are many many more streamers out there that are worse.  They literally beg for signups etc its quite sad.

I also completely agree with you re criticising streamers.  The problem you will have is this is a gambling forum and the majority of people that come here enjoy the streamers and the big wins etc.

 

We have not just been submitting reports for just RocknRolla, some others have been reported to. 

I was using him as an example as he is the main streamer who we have video evidence of breaking countless rules. Even his video intros could he frowned upon and thay is before you even get to the reckless gambling and not mention some of the things he has said before on streams in the past. Gamblers like that need their own platform instead of ruining a platform that children can spend hours on per day. I’m sure you wouldn’t want to find your children had clicked onto one of his videos, would you?

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8 minutes ago, MisterMyers said:

We have not just been submitting reports for just RocknRolla, some others have been reported to. 

I was using him as an example as he is the main streamer who we have video evidence of breaking countless rules. Even his video intros could he frowned upon and thay is before you even get to the reckless gambling and not mention some of the things he has said before on streams in the past. Gamblers like that need their own platform instead of ruining a platform that children can spend hours on per day. I’m sure you wouldn’t want to find your children had clicked onto one of his videos, would you?

Hi MisterMyers,

 

Firstly I would like to apologise to you as before I thought you were flaming Rocknolla and nobody else.  I also thought you was a troll I am clearly wrong and I do understand what you are doing now.  So apologies for before.

Its a shame that children constantly want to be on YouTube and not enjoy playing with friends etc outdoors.  I have a daughter who is young and she does go on YouTube but I don't see her at the age where I would be worried if she stumbled on a gambling stream.  Add 5/7 years onto her age and maybe I would.

I did think that you couldn't actually view a gambling stream or highlights video unless you were logged into YouTube which verifies you're age?  Maybe I am wrong but I can remember previously not being logged into my YouTube account and trying to watch a gambling video and it said I'd need to be logged in to watch it.  Is this not the case anymore and you can view anything 18+ without being logged in?

If you don't mind me asking but are you only reporting gamblers videos/content or are you reporting other things that could cause concerns for children?  I only ask as it seems you have a big issue with gamblers yet you don't mention other things that could cause issues for children on YouTube?

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I am really shocked by the methods with which they try to implement their strategy - and BTW they didn't published anything publicly anywhere...

As long our kids are concerned - I think that we as parents have to supervision the content our kids are consuming. If you think that your kid is not grown enough to be on youtube -- then don't hand him your phone with your gmail log in to watch related videos that you have been watching...

Also youtube has to think about this twice since soon in almost every state gambling will be legal. 

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21 hours ago, Oncents said:

I am really shocked by the methods with which they try to implement their strategy - and BTW they didn't published anything publicly anywhere...

As long our kids are concerned - I think that we as parents have to supervision the content our kids are consuming. If you think that your kid is not grown enough to be on youtube -- then don't hand him your phone with your gmail log in to watch related videos that you have been watching...

Also youtube has to think about this twice since soon in almost every state gambling will be legal. 

No no its never your own fault according to the people above - if your kid stumples upon it shouldnt see, its the creators fault.

(Ridicolous, go out and live your life and stop hating/fighting against something you dont like online just because you cant control yourself)

Alcohol adverts in TV btw!

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On 18/06/2018 at 16:03, Arcade_Pusher said:

Hi MisterMyers,

 

Firstly I would like to apologise to you as before I thought you were flaming Rocknolla and nobody else.  I also thought you was a troll I am clearly wrong and I do understand what you are doing now.  So apologies for before.

Its a shame that children constantly want to be on YouTube and not enjoy playing with friends etc outdoors.  I have a daughter who is young and she does go on YouTube but I don't see her at the age where I would be worried if she stumbled on a gambling stream.  Add 5/7 years onto her age and maybe I would.

I did think that you couldn't actually view a gambling stream or highlights video unless you were logged into YouTube which verifies you're age?  Maybe I am wrong but I can remember previously not being logged into my YouTube account and trying to watch a gambling video and it said I'd need to be logged in to watch it.  Is this not the case anymore and you can view anything 18+ without being logged in?

If you don't mind me asking but are you only reporting gamblers videos/content or are you reporting other things that could cause concerns for children?  I only ask as it seems you have a big issue with gamblers yet you don't mention other things that could cause issues for children on YouTube?

Hello Arcade_Pusher

I don’t have any problems with gambling, in fact I sometimes gamble myself. But I do think that content should be on another platform as someone previously mentioned. Some videos regarding gambling are age restricted but plenty are not somehow. My concern was RocknRollas gambling behaviour, it does not represent responsible gambling which could be viewed in a safe way (not by children, by adults) but his methods of gambling is toxic and unsafe to adults also.

 

He isn’t some rich millionaire who can afford that lifestyle, he is a desperate man living close to the edge. Do you really think a rich and successful persons heart rate would top 160+ bpm on his bets? I’ve seen wealthy people in Casinos and I have seen them lose £5,000 a spin on Roulette and they don’t even break a sweat and they stay and play for long periods.  It’s clear that he is pushing himself to the limit and my message is that he should not be publishing that type of behaviour on a platform that children love. 

 

Thanks for your reply also. 

3 hours ago, Slotspinner said:

No no its never your own fault according to the people above - if your kid stumples upon it shouldnt see, its the creators fault.

(Ridicolous, go out and live your life and stop hating/fighting against something you dont like online just because you cant control yourself)

Alcohol adverts in TV btw!

The act of Gambling may be legal but the publication of it and advertising regulations are forever changing. If anything, in the UK they will get stricter in the coming months and years 

3 hours ago, Slotspinner said:

No no its never your own fault according to the people above - if your kid stumples upon it shouldnt see, its the creators fault.

(Ridicolous, go out and live your life and stop hating/fighting against something you dont like online just because you cant control yourself)

Alcohol adverts in TV btw!

You can’t always sit and watch your child on their iPad all the time, it is not pluasable. But when they are using a family friendly app that has no age restrictions on the app store you should be assured that they won’t stumble upon any dangerous content on that app. Therefore, it is the responsibility of the app (youtube) or creator (youtuber) to assure the policies are followed. 

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Hey guys, could you tell me if this only applies to casino stream or casino videos in general? I mean what about some shortcuts of the best moments of the stream bla bla? Would it be banned? Or no-one knows it? 

Hope you won't kill me here right away ❤️

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17 hours ago, MisterMyers said:

The act of Gambling may be legal but the publication of it and advertising regulations are forever changing. If anything, in the UK they will get stricter in the coming months and years 

You can’t always sit and watch your child on their iPad all the time, it is not pluasable. But when they are using a family friendly app that has no age restrictions on the app store you should be assured that they won’t stumble upon any dangerous content on that app. Therefore, it is the responsibility of the app (youtube) or creator (youtuber) to assure the policies are followed. 

The more you explain your reasons for what you are doing the more I agree with you.

YouTube should definitely do more to restrict 18+ content.

I don't see the point in asking the YouTuber to do more though.  They will never change their ways, all they are interested in is getting signups and making money.

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@Arcade_Pusher @MisterMyers Thought I would share my opinions & thoughts on the matter.

In terms of youtubes and casino regulations I comply fully with both and have had this confirmed by both. I've received strikes in the past but have always had them taken off which also proves this.

I age restricted all my content but what I found is that it just killed my channel. There are no sub categories for gambling or other such content which should be age restricted so when you have 600 videos age restricted youtube don't know why so will assume its one of their guidlines of either violence or disturbing imagery,  nudity and sexually suggestive content, portrayal of harmful or illegal acts and therefore are hardly going to recommend my videos or channel. So now I have around 80% of my videos age restricted in which I swear in. I would also be more worried about other content like beheadings, nudity, torture, gang fights, drug abuse, gun fights etc etc which the vast majority are not age restricted as some can come under educational!

I also disagree to an extent about my gambling being irresponsible. I have budgets per month for my gambling set out by my wife which I cannot go over so I can never do my balls in. Stakes are irrelevant and if you look up gamble awares definition stakes aren't mentioned as its how you act. I'm not saying I'm perfect and probably have done some things that might be considered irresponsible but then at the same time we are talking about casino betting which has a house edge and your guaranteed to lose in the long run so if I decide to lose my money in one session rather than over a few weeks whose to say which one is less responsible?! I also think what is better as a streamer me or someone with no experience, knowledge or history of gambling, portraying gambling is easy to stay in control as they have no real interest in it and merely doing it for business?

I do agree with some of what you have said but I think youtube as a platform could/should do more and maybe just categorise the live streams a bit like twitch currently does or if they don't want gambling content they just need to say as its their platform and they can do as they please. Peace be with you

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20 hours ago, rocknrollaaaaaa said:

I also disagree to an extent about my gambling being irresponsible. I have budgets per month for my gambling set out by my wife which I cannot go over so I can never do my balls in. Stakes are irrelevant and if you look up gamble awares definition stakes aren't mentioned as its how you act. I'm not saying I'm perfect and probably have done some things that might be considered irresponsible but then at the same time we are talking about casino betting which has a house edge and your guaranteed to lose in the long run so if I decide to lose my money in one session rather than over a few weeks whose to say which one is less responsible?! I also think what is better as a streamer me or someone with no experience, knowledge or history of gambling, portraying gambling is easy to stay in control as they have no real interest in it and merely doing it for business?

 

This is what I was getting at in my original post. I enjoy watching your streams because you are a gambler and are always chasing that big win it makes for massive entertainment.  Out of all the streamers I watch I would have to say you are the only real one that I think gambles because you love it.  There are to many now that see it as a business and just have their silly schedules for streams and the minute the stream goes over what their schedule says they stop.  At least with you if you burn all your limits for that day in an hour then stream ends it because you are going for it like us gamblers do.  It makes for much more entertainment and feels real.  For me the other streamers are so robotic its unreal.

I do agree with MisterMyers in that YouTube should be doing more to restrict 18+ content.  I don't agree with him reporting you and other streamers.

P.s - I hope you are enjoying your break but hurry the fuck up back!

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it must suck for affiliation having half the viewer base cut in two but personally cudnt care less about youtube i only watch pre recorded or big win highlights on there anyway 

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On ‎22‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 16:03, Gee_Bee1 said:

it must suck for affiliation having half the viewer base cut in two but personally cudnt care less about youtube i only watch pre recorded or big win highlights on there anyway 

I would argue that big win highlights are more dangerous for a gambling addict (who shouldn't be watching any gambling material in the first place) as they don't show the reality of gambling, and that is that you more often than not don't have such wins. At least with live streams you see what playing online is all about - more losing than winning spins and sessions.

If anything, I would hazard a guess that a big win video will prompt an addict to put yet another deposit in he can ill afford to lose rather than watching a streamer lose money during a 3 hour stream.

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On ‎24‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 08:00, Slotplayer said:

I would argue that big win highlights are more dangerous for a gambling addict (who shouldn't be watching any gambling material in the first place) as they don't show the reality of gambling, and that is that you more often than not don't have such wins. At least with live streams you see what playing online is all about - more losing than winning spins and sessions.

If anything, I would hazard a guess that a big win video will prompt an addict to put yet another deposit in he can ill afford to lose rather than watching a streamer lose money during a 3 hour stream.

Interesting what you say about big win videos.  Do you think then that Casinogrounds shouldn't have "streamers biggest wins" videos that they put up because its more likely to effect a problem gambler and encourage them to deposit and play?

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I do wonder sometimes if streamers develop issues with gambling.  They can sustain what they do through affiliation but what would happen if the affiliation dried up and they had to constantly use savings/other earnings to fund their streams?

Would this create a problem for them or are they able to take it or leave it when it comes to gambling?

 

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