Betsafe - daily tournaments very unclear terms

[pausefisk]

This is a follow up to the post i made som time ago, but you dont have to read it to understand this post:

link is: /forum/topic/14722-need-help-with-some-math-betsafe-tournament-is-either-wrong-or-rigged/ (you need to paste behind domain name because there seems to be som error when pasting links to other posts atm @Skylined87 (FYI)

I've now "moved" this case over to the complaints section, because i (finally) got an answer from Betsafe.

Betsafe now confirm that the tournament points i had is "correct". And they confirm: the bigger bets = bigger wins = more points.

I think the terms for the tournament says something else: (i can only paste in norwegian, since the tournament is not available for UK players, you can find se,dk,fi language on betsafe torunament page https://www.betsafe.com/no/casino/turneringer)

In terms number 2, it says:

2. Spilleren med høyest gjennomsnittlige gevinst (totalt gevinstbeløp delt på totalt innsatsbeløp) i løpet av 20 påfølgende spinn vinner.

translated with google it says:

2. The player with the highest average win (total win amount divided by total bet amount) in 20 consecutive spin wins.

The way i interpret this sentence the bet size should not matter at all.

They way Betsafe run this torunament is in my opinion not very "responsible gambling"-friendly at all. If you play small stakes, your odds for winning the torunament is extremely low. If you play high stakes, around 5€ you will most likely get a top place every day.

So, what do you guys think? Is it I who missunderstand the terms?

And, is this term in any way unclear enough, that it is material for MGA?

Appreciate all feedback

And FYI - stay way from Betsafe torunaments, unless you play high stakes, you will not win anything by playing minimum betsize at 2kr.

[Bas210]

13 hours ago, pausefisk said:

This is a follow up to the post i made som time ago, but you dont have to read it to understand this post:

link is: /forum/topic/14722-need-help-with-some-math-betsafe-tournament-is-either-wrong-or-rigged/ (you need to paste behind domain name because there seems to be som error when pasting links to other posts atm @Skylined87 (FYI)

I've now "moved" this case over to the complaints section, because i (finally) got an answer from Betsafe.

Betsafe now confirm that the tournament points i had is "correct". And they confirm: the bigger bets = bigger wins = more points.

I think the terms for the tournament says something else: (i can only paste in norwegian, since the tournament is not available for UK players, you can find se,dk,fi language on betsafe torunament page https://www.betsafe.com/no/casino/turneringer)

In terms number 2, it says:

2. Spilleren med høyest gjennomsnittlige gevinst (totalt gevinstbeløp delt på totalt innsatsbeløp) i løpet av 20 påfølgende spinn vinner.

translated with google it says:

2. The player with the highest average win (total win amount divided by total bet amount) in 20 consecutive spin wins.

The way i interpret this sentence the bet size should not matter at all.

They way Betsafe run this torunament is in my opinion not very "responsible gambling"-friendly at all. If you play small stakes, your odds for winning the torunament is extremely low. If you play high stakes, around 5€ you will most likely get a top place every day.

So, what do you guys think? Is it I who missunderstand the terms?

And, is this term in any way unclear enough, that it is material for MGA?

Appreciate all feedback

And FYI - stay way from Betsafe torunaments, unless you play high stakes, you will not win anything by playing minimum betsize at 2kr.

Your title is wrong, the terms are very clear and if a casino can not even understand his own terms then I would def stay away there!

[LetsGiveItASpin]

That is beyond ridiculous, they went against their own rules and now changed it from what I can see on the page. As their original rules that you did follow said win amount divided by bet, I'd chase them for the money you should have won.

[pausefisk]

@LetsGiveItASpin did they change there rules?? Where? For me it still looks the same?!?

[SuperSmask]

This will be interesting to follow. NO way around the stated rules are not being followed. 

[LetsGiveItASpin]

On 15/06/2018 at 14:32, pausefisk said:

@LetsGiveItASpin did they change there rules?? Where? For me it still looks the same?!?

I couldn't see the win/bet part when I went through the link you gave me

[pausefisk]

@LetsGiveItASpin if you go to https://www.betsafe.com/sv/casino/turneringar

Click on "Läs mer" under todays ongoing tournament.

Click on "Villkor" under the field where the slot game is.

You can see nr 2:

2. Vinnaren är den spelare som gör den största genomsnittliga förtjänsten (sammanlagd vinst delat med sammanlagd insats) i 20 raka spelrundor.