General moan

[Paul Debenham]

I find it very interesting reading people's massively different opinions/suggestions/accusations/positive and negative comments about casino streamers. Having watched a number of the people featured on this site and many others over the last year or so, I thought I’d bore you with my 'pearls of wisdom’ too, starting with the basics…

 

- People who bitch about legitimate streamers [my definition of a legitimate streamer is someone who plays with their own money irrespective of whatever terms they’ve agreed with the given casino and doesn’t mislead their viewers] acting as affiliate marketers by signing people up through their links. I find it beyond bizarre that people take issue with this. My question to those who do: Would you spend, for example’s sake, 15hrs/week online + considerable time replying to messages, dealing with admin, etc… and not expect some form of financial recompense for the entertainment you provide? I strongly doubt it.

 

- Signing up via affiliate links. To play and subsequently withdraw funds should you win on any casino, you must be an adult. Accordingly, the suggestion to sign up via streamer’s affiliate links = a choice made by an adult. Sign up as a grown-up making a grown-up decision if you wish to. Equally just enjoy the free entertainment and don't if you don't want to. Obviously you are supporting the streamer you sign up through via their agreement with the casino. Your play won’t be affected versus simply creating your own account on the same casino. Anyone who takes a moral “it’s not right to profit from someone else’s losses” stance needs to man up and smell the coffee in my opinion. Your objection should lie with gambling in general and not the individual streamer if you do violently object to this kind of affiliate marketing.

 

- Donations. People who moan about streamers who accept donations really annoy me. As per the decision to sign up through their links, this is an entirely voluntary thing you can choose to do or not do. Very few forms of entertainment come for free last time I checked. In you go to watch a football match or see a film at the cinema, you pay. You can watch streamers for absolutely no fee. If you want to and can show your appreciation by sending them a donation, why not?

 

- “Fake” streamers. Not my cup of tea. If you are just a casino's human puppet demonstrating the games with a fake money agreement, make that fact crystal clear to your viewers. You deserve zero respect otherwise. As this never happens, I dislike you. Not so coincidentally, the fake streamers always come across at t***s to me and the real-deal streamers generally strike me as decent people I’d get along with.

- Encouraging sensible gambling: again, this almost always seems to go hand-in-hand with everything else I’ve whinged about. The streamers I like make a point of firmly recommending that viewers only ever gamble within their means either verbally or using twitch/YouTube chat. Some of the massive human dogshits mascarading as genuine streamers seem far more reluctant to highlight this on a regular basis.

 

Rant over. Keep up the great work, esteemed streamers!

Very good website btw.

 

[Skylined87]

hey @Paul Debenham thanks for the kind words and welcome to Casinogrounds! I totally agree on your points and to be honest, it's common sense

Unfortunately, as every business there will always be people who envy or start false rumours or likewise, mostly because those same people are pissed off at the losses they've done in the casino (or anything else for that matter). Hate has to vent out somewhere and usually comes out as trolling  

[Paul Debenham]

9 minutes ago, Skylined87 said:

hey @Paul Debenham thanks for the kind words and welcome to Casinogrounds! I totally agree on your points and to be honest, it's common sense

Unfortunately, as every business there will always be people who envy or start false rumours or likewise, mostly because those same people are pissed off at the losses they've done in the casino (or anything else for that matter). Hate has to vent out somewhere and usually comes out as trolling  

Too true. Jealousy seems to fuel loads of people's objections. I'm convinced most of those who moan secretly wish they could be doing exactly whatever the streamer they're criticising does. Pretty childish really! 

 

[NudgeShuffle]

I find the stuff about responsible gambling very tedious to be honest. Perhaps streamers should also give a warnings about drinking responsibly every time they crack open a beer. If we take the suggestion from the OP that we are all adult enough to make our own decisions then why doesn't that apply to deciding how much you choose to gamble? 

[Paul Debenham]

I do know what you mean NudgeShuffle and take your point. The responsible gambling message isn't something I need to hear for my own benefit either (I don't take it as patronising but it doesn't have any bearing on my own betting). What I was really suggesting is that it strikes me as noticeable that the genuine streamers do tend to mention it whereas the fake ones rarely do. I suppose it's only relevant either way to the minority of "problem gamblers". 

[LetsGiveItASpin]

Wise words Paul! Even though streaming for many people is a lot like regular affiliate marketing, I feel that it's more important than ever to bring trust in what you're doing by I.E not refeering your viewers to casinos with predatory terms and conditions just becouse they pay you shitloads. In my oppinion you should as a streamer make sure that the gambling experience is good and fair for everyone that signs up through your link and make sure they won't be screwed over by a hidden term in the bottom of a 50 page long agreement. 

[Paul Debenham]

Yeah, absolutely Kim. It says a lot about the streamer if they knowingly get people to sign up to a casino where the likelihood of them being treated badly is high. Like you said, if there's something nasty hidden in the small print, that's not compatible with treating those who sign up respectfully. Really enjoy your streams btw. 

[LetsGiveItASpin]

Cheers buddy, happy we're on the same page and thanks for your kind words